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July trumpets the return of Jo Chen, but also heralds the return of both Karl Moline and Fray to the Buffyverse! The Buffster squares off against her futuristic descendant in this four-part arc by Joss Whedon and Karl Moline, who first collaborated in 2003's Fray mini-series.
February 28 2008, 11:54:00 UTC 4 years ago
Well, isn't that interesting. And pretty.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, we haven't seen time travel in Buffy before (and only in the form of Illyria on Angel)... maybe the cameo below from #6 was not a throwaway joke, but an honest-to-goodness plot point?
That noise you hear is either a TARDIS taking off, or a thousand Dr Who crossover writers fanwanking. ;-)
Aside from the issues of adding time travel to a verse where the rules seem to be looser than ever, does this mean that Joss is trying to set up a possible retcon (antecon?) of the Fray storyline? Fray lives in a future where magic and demons were wiped out - "a Slayer, possibly with some mystical allies, faced an apocalyptic army of demons. And when it was done, they were gone. All demons, all magicks, banished from this earthly dimension" - which would seem to be a world in which Twilight's plan was successful. But if Fray and Buffy get to meet and exchange info (and, apparently, blows) then what happens...?
The future is unwritten, we make our own fate, bla bla bla; I guess Joss has been watching Terminator. ;-)
February 28 2008, 21:09:37 UTC 4 years ago
February 28 2008, 11:55:30 UTC 4 years ago
Sadly I wasn't much keen on Fray when I tried reading the series when it fiirst came out, but we'll see if that changes with the involvement of Buffys character.
February 28 2008, 12:00:15 UTC 4 years ago
I'll go calm down now.
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February 28 2008, 12:47:13 UTC 4 years ago
:Blinks:
It does? I should've put my glasses on.
So it's Fray? Meh! Didn't like that book. Thought it was sort of boring.
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February 28 2008, 14:34:06 UTC 4 years ago
"I can't wait for the crossover but I swear up and down the ANGEL stuff has nothing to do with it whatsoever. That said, the cover in Wizard, with Buffy and Fray, is AWESOME."
"I truly don't want to disappoint you, I'm telling you it has nothing to do with it. ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL is very self-contained, it doesn't bleed over into the BUFFY comic and vice-versa. I am not trying to deceive or surprise here, I am just trying to ensure you guys don't get your hopes up."
I honestly think Brian Lynch is trying to keep people,who are now expecting a link because of the future jumps,from having a big disappointment when neither Spike or Angel for that matter show up in this arc.
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February 28 2008, 14:32:50 UTC 4 years ago
BuffyAngelverse because of Illyria - and Sahjahn was also able to 'flit through time in a manly way'. As for the mechanics, opening portals to other dimensions isn't too dissimilar to opening them to other times. 'When' did Buffy meet the Shadowmen, for example?I do agree that this could be problematic if they start exploring time-travel paradoxes, although I do hope Joss and Karl include a joke about killing your grandfather...
February 28 2008, 14:48:33 UTC 4 years ago
And if Fray's world is the result of Twilight winning*, they would have to, wouldn't they? As much as I love the Terminator franchise, IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. Unless Fray's future is a different Earth that's only almost identical to ours; in an infinite-worlds universe like the Buffyverse, that's quite possible. That would make Fray an AU, but of course... *bites tongue* ;-)
* Or Buffy realising that Twilight has a point and ridding the world of all demons and magic anyway. In any case, Fray gives away the ending of the comics unless something is done about it - but by doing something about it, you open up a whole can of worms.
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February 28 2008, 15:33:21 UTC 4 years ago
F. ex., Buffy travels to 23-rd century, finds out about the world without magic, comes back, tries to prevent it but in the end accepts it?
Yes, on Time Bomb writers used the time-travel concept from the later Terminators (you can change the future by learning about it and changing the past accordingly) but it could be a one-episode device.
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February 28 2008, 17:52:17 UTC 4 years ago
I know that the whole time travel thing can go very very wrong but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
And that cover is just Brilliant!
February 28 2008, 18:52:45 UTC 4 years ago
I didn't read Fray but it would be cool that after the series ended in the future her future is in teh past and she is the Slayer taht ends all wouldn't that be ironic ! and leaving Buffy.... where exactly ..... no it can't be right .... the most important Slayer is Buffy, nor Faith , nor Fray, no the thousands of others, I think Buffy should be the end of all (if there really is and end which I wouldn't like because it would mean trully that the Buffyverse will end. I have Fear for the "season" finale
February 28 2008, 23:19:03 UTC 4 years ago
I did love Fray, though, so I have hope that they can make it work.
February 29 2008, 02:48:25 UTC 4 years ago
The very first time we meet Melaka Fray she's being thrown off the roof of a tall building,. Irt seems like it's an occupational hazard for her.
At least she'd dressed appropriately for it. I bet Buffy is really regretting wearing a skirt right about now... ;-)
Mel doesn't look much like her appearance in the comics, although they've got her black-and-purple hairdo and biohazard tatoo in place. And she's really muscled up since her early days...
Two identical Scythes in the same place? Doesn't that cause a rift in the fabric of reality or something?
February 29 2008, 12:02:34 UTC 4 years ago
I dunno, those elbow pads don't look like they'll be much protection when you're falling off a skyscraper... at least Buffy will make a good-looking puddle. ;-)
Two identical Scythes in the same place?
...would seem to support the AU theory. Or the prophetic dream theory.
February 29 2008, 03:33:27 UTC 4 years ago
March 1 2008, 23:50:21 UTC 4 years ago
She is not in a Delorean
She doesn't drive more then 88 mph
And she doesn't skateboard
March 2 2008, 20:51:22 UTC 4 years ago
No, but Xander does. Yet another piece of evidence... ;-)
March 2 2008, 02:40:45 UTC 4 years ago